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"Orang Haiti adalah Latinos"

Haiti is the first independent Caribbean country. Haitians speak Haitian Creole, a mixture of African, Spanish and Portuguese from French dialects. French is the same Latin as Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Romanian. Haitians speak French and Haitian Creole (derived from three Latin languages) theoretically considered Latin. Even genetic testing has recently found that many Haitians actually mix with Ibero-European blood. That will explain the development of their language. Latino is a very misused and misunderstood word. Latino is a word that describes people from Latin America. In Latin America, France, Spain, and Portugal are used. Americans think that Latino is the same as short, dark, and brown, in other words, not Black or White! However, more educated and well-informed people know otherwise. However, the Ancient Latin people are obviously white people who are not short, not dark, or brown!

Modern Latin defines a wide group of different nations speaking in Latin. Millions of Latinos are White, millions of Latin are Black, and millions of Latin are Brown (ie Mulatto or Mixed). To be honest, if Latin or Latino is used in the most honest way, it refers only to whites, since the ancient Latinos were white, and because 99.99 percent of Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Italians and Romanians were also White! Furthermore, it will only be a term used for today's people who are dominated or 100 percent derived from Latin blood, but I really doubt its existence today, even in Italy, where they are in power! All the other Latin people are only Latin, not true Latin! But, for the sake of simplicity, I will use Latino in a loose sense.

Another point that needs to be established is that Hispanics are not synonymous with Latino. The Hispanics refer only to the Spanish-speaking Latin. This brings me to another point. Latin-speaking Spanish is the only Latin group given official status as a group, Hispanic! It seems rather discriminatory! Even Hispanics are a very misused and misunderstood term. Hispanic way from a Spanish-speaking country, you do not have to be from Spain. Mostly Spanish, about 99.99 percent is White! Hispanics are from Hispania, the Roman name for Spain. When the Spanish dialect diverges, it soon becomes Espana.

Another important point is that the Latin American term was coined by the French in reference to their own colonies in America! Thus, the French/Spanish Cajun and the French-speaking Canadian can be called Latinos!

--CoCoLumps (Love yourself) 04:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Just because the etymological origins of the word "Latino" are derived from the Latin word, it does not necessarily mean that this word refers to all those who speak Latin. "Latino" comes from the Spanish and Portuguese words "latinoamericano" and refers to people from Spanish and Portuguese countries in Central and South America as well as the Caribbean. The meaning of the English word "Latino" is generally not understood by to include French speakers and it is not commonly understood by ordinary citizens to enter Haiti, and most sources that define the word define it to include only Spanish and Portuguese speakers from America. Please read this Wikipedia article for more resources and information: Hispanic and Latin America. Goodsdrew (talk) 14:51, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Latino = Latin America !!! It's just a shorter and faster term to speak. Latino and Latin American both go back to Latin. The Latins are the people (the white man by chance) who speaks Latin. Latino (Latin America) today may have little Latin blood in its blood vessels. However, the language is more appropriate. Latinos (Latin America) not only speak Spanish, but also French and Portuguese! YES! FRENCH AND PORTUGUESE !!! Latino (Latin America) today to use that term is the most loose, non-exclusive meanings for whites from Latin America, but also Blacks, and Mulattos (ie Browns) - basically anyone who speaks Latin-based languages! Hispanic refers only to Spanish-speaking Latin. Why they have their own special category is far beyond me. The kind of arrogant and high-minded I think!

So far, the many sources quoted in this discussion say that Haitians are not Latin/Latin Americans. CoCoLumps is the only person on this thread who claims that Haitians should be identified as Latino/Latin America. Let's try to reach a consensus here. CoCoLumps - do you have sources that support your view? Otherwise, very large evidence suggests to return to the list of Haitians as Latin Americans. If no source comes, and if no one else supports the idea that Haitians are Latin, then I think we need to follow the source and remove the reference to Latino/Latin America. Let's give 5-7 days and see where it is. Somebody opposed? Goodsdrew (talk) 14:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

The sources you quote in this discussion are the US base and their definition of Latin America is a bit wrong. I am fully aware that Latin American terms do not always include Haiti but that does not mean they are not part of Latin America. I have quoted more than one source indicating that Haitians are Latin and Latin Americans, I do not mind providing more resources.

"Hispanics: anyone from a Spanish-speaking country. (NOT including Brazil) Hispanic: NOT a racial category but shows an ETHNIC heritage Hispanic is a term used by the US government.

Latino: Anyone from a country whose language is a romance. These include Haitians, Brazilians, etc. Latino is used for informal communication. Latino is more a term adopted by the Latins themselves.

• However, most Latino people prefer to be called by their home country and nothing else: Cuba, Ecuador, Colombia, Puerto Rico, etc.

Latino is preferred because:

- This is directly related to the experiences of Latin Americans living in the US. It therefore defines the hybridization process, the combination and selection of cultural values. Transcultural terms. Not Latin America or America, it is new and simultaneously at the same time. Therefore, it expresses paradox, complexity, and defiance.

- This shows people who are Latin-Indian and/or Latin-Black mestizaje products and are generally used by working class people. This confirms the culture and people who are dominated by Mediterranean civilization in his career throughout the New World.

- It shows ethnic pride and cultural affirmation and solidarity among all Latino people who are fighting against racism, sexism, and classism. "

http://www.uhu.es/antonia.dominguez/latin/introduction.htm

Latin America, the noun, part of the continent of South American America where Spain, Portugal, or France are officially spoken.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Latin America

"Haiti was the first independent state in Latin America and the Caribbean, the black-headed republic of the world, and the second republic in America when it gained independence in 1804, as part of a decades-long successful slave revolution (1791-1804)."

Haiti History and Culture --CoCoLumps (Love yourself) 09:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Your first source is just someone's personal website and not a trusted source under the Wikipedia guidelines. Your other two sources are at odds with the seven sources I give. With the source weight in this discussion showing that Haitians are ineligible and without anyone else objecting to removing references to Haiti, it is clear that Haiti should not be listed in this article and I remove the references. Goodsdrew (talk) 21: 04, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

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Adding Filipino to the list?

Go to the Philippine islands that are part of Hispanadad (http://pinas.dlsu.edu.ph/history/history.html, http://philippines-timeline.com/spanish.htm) and the Philippines from Southern California help in a race relationship. Last but never the least Filipinos of Filipino descent are distinguished just like the Latin. Some other Natives are not.... In pure defense simply because they have been classified only as Asians in the reference to older American history, that ancient classification should not give us historians today. and Americans the right to reduce their Hispanic descendants any longer. The pretense is under the same person's attitude by ignoring the white race of mixed-up people because they are brown. Therefore I will change the box. --Iamiyouareyou (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

It would never be fair that the Filipinos of Latin American descent receive twice the classification and twice the ethnic community. It's just what it is and it is a task to stand upright and unbiased and write honest information. - Iamiyouareyou (talk) 14:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Lebih banyak sumber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_(U.S._Census), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people # Colonial_influence, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people_of_Spanish_ancestry, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_influence_on_Filipino_culture, http://www.youtube.com/watch ? v = BdLQ1nXDRSE

--Iamiyouareyou (talk) 13:53, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Restoring 2014 edits

deleted edits deleted by Filipinos do for categorizing the list into "Hispanic and Latin" and not an exclusive list of Latino groups. Stating once again the Filipinos are Hispanic. Iamiyouareyou (talk)

Inversion

This editing erases it again, saying "returning an inexplicable reversal, Filipino-Americans are not categorized by the US Census Bureau as Lationo/Hispanic".

Guys, please do not edit the war all this time - especially in templates used by some articles.

I will comment here that not Wikipedia instead of YouTube is a reliable source. I would also suggest that it might be useful to read Latin American articles (WP articles and therefore not necessarily reliable sources). Wtmitchell (talk) (formerly Boracay Bill ) 23:02, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

No reliable source verifies that in the United States that Filipino-Americans are classified by the US Census Bureau, in race and ethnicity, as Hispanic/Latino. The burden of proof is on the addition of the editor, and the load has not been met. While some Americans of Filipino descent may be multiracial Americans and possibly also Hispanic/Latino, not all Filipino Americans will, nor be classified. For example, see how Filipinos do not belong in the "Hispanic or Latin" category in the chart by the Centers for Disease Control: Health, United States . DIANE Publishing. p.Ã, 156. ISBNÃ, 978-1-4289-2915-9. - RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Additionally, see this source: Subcommittee on Collection of Race Data Standards/Ethnicity for Quality Improvement of Health Care; Health Care Services Board; Institute of Medicine (November 30, 2009). Race, Ethnic, and Language Data :: Standardization for Health Care Quality Improvement . National Academies Press. p.Ã, 71. ISBNÃ, 978-0-309-14866-5.

Only 11% of "Filipino Filipinos are single offspring" when asked to categorize themselves to vote other than Asia, with Spain just one of the many options mentioned, including the Pacific Islands.-- RightCowLeftCoast 19:26, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

February 2017

I have returned WP: BOLD changes by IamiyouareyouÃ, (talkÃ, Ã, Â · contribs). No consensus or reliable source verifies that Filipino-Americans are categorized by USCB as Latino/Hispanic. There is no change in consensus or credible sources on this subject and I ask Wtmitchell (speaking Ã, Â · contribs) to consider this issue because he has been involved with this subject in the past, and as Iamiyouareyou has declared an edit war on my talk page.-- RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:56, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

At least we can at least be included in another category ????? Iamiyouareyou (talk)

I do not understand what it means. Navigation templates still have to meet WP: VER as far as I know, and POV that Filipinos are Filipino Hispanic/Latin American is a minority point of view that should not be given weight because most WP: FRINGE. If someone wants to add content about this, the best place is in the pages of the Filipino Philippines. That said it should be neutral and not mislead the reader to think it is a majority point of view.-- RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Is Basque America really included in this template?

This template links to Basque Americans. However, as I understand it, Basque Americans are not Latin (European origin) or Hispanic (not from Spanish). Is it misplaced in the template? --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 14:05, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

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